Oh yes, because they, they, Kay's of Worcester, one of the biggest mail order catalogues in the country and um Chapman's had the contract for providing the, the brochures for that. And so the staff would be dressing up in these wonderful clothes to be photographed um to go in the catalogue. Um, yes, they've they've got um an excellent facility for producing that sort of thing, um. And it was, it was a wonderful employer in Letbury. There was that, there was the Chapman's there and then up the town where Tesco's is now was another stationary company called Spicer, and that was another big employer, a huge employer. And of course then there was the jam factory as well, which was very, very successful. It's a funny thing really because they made jams for all different companies. But Marks and Spencer were the only, was the only one who had to have different ingredients. And as far as Marks and Spencer's jams, marmalades, whatever were concerned, they had to have a higher fruit content than any of the others. That, um, you know, that that was a really big employer, employer um and also a very good part-time employer because um in the fruit season you'd have a whole army of perhaps women with young children, and they're plugging strawberries, they were on a conveyor belt and you spent the whole day pulling the plugs out of them, um.

So, you know, we were, we were quite well off um for employment in Ledbury, whereas nowadays virtually everybody has to go out of town to work.